Europe has the untapped onshore capacity to meet global energy demand

Europe has the untapped onshore capacity to meet global energy demand
An onshore wind farm. Credit: Onshore wind farm image courtesy of Envision Energy.

Europe has the capacity to produce more than 100 times the amount of energy it currently produces through onshore windfarms, new analysis from the University of Sussex and Aarhus University has revealed.

In an analysis of all suitable sites for onshore wind farms, the new study reveals that Europe has the potential to supply enough for the whole world until 2050.

The study reveals that if all of Europe's capacity for onshore wind farms was realised, the installed nameplate would 52.5 TW—equivalent to 1 MW for every 16 European citizens.

Co-author Benjamin Sovacool, Professor of Energy Policy at the University of Sussex, said: "The study is not a blueprint for development but a guide for policymakers indicating the potential of how much more can be done and where the prime opportunities exist.

"Our study suggests that the horizon is bright for the onshore wind sector and that European aspirations for a 100% renewable energy grid are within our collective grasp technologically.

"Obviously, we are not saying that we should install turbines in all the identified sites but the study does show the huge wind power potential right across Europe which needs to be harnessed if we're to avert a climate catastrophe."

Spatial analysis of Geographical Information System (GIS)-based wind atlases allowed the research team to identify around 46% of Europe's territory which would be suitable for siting of onshore wind farms.

Europe has the untapped onshore capacity to meet global energy demand
Map showing the power density potential for each European country. Credit: University of Sussex/Aarhus University.

The advanced GIS data at sub-national levels provided a far more detailed insight and allowed the team to factor in a far greater range of exclusionary factors including houses, roads, restricted areas due to military or political reasons as well as terrains not suitable for wind power generation.

The greater detail in this approach allowed the research team to identify more than three times the onshore wind potential in Europe than previous studies.

Peter Enevoldsen, assistant professor in the Center for Energy Technologies at Aarhus University, said: "Critics will no doubt argue that the naturally intermittent supply of wind makes onshore wind energy unsuitable to meet the global demand.

"But even without accounting for developments in wind turbine technology in the upcoming decades, onshore wind power is the cheapest mature source of renewable energy, and utilizing the different wind regions in Europe is the key to meet the demand for a 100% renewable and fully decarbonized energy system."

The study estimates that more than 11 million additional wind turbines could be theoretically installed over almost 5 million square kilometres of suitable terrain generating 497 EJ of power which would adequately meet the expected global energy demand in 2050 of 430 EJ.

The authors identified Turkey, Russia, and Norway as having the greatest potential for future wind power density although large parts of Western Europe were also considered ripe for further onshore farms because of favourable wind speeds and flat areas.

Mark Jacobson, Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering at Stanford University, said: "One of the most important findings of this study, aside from the fact that it concludes that the European onshore wind potential is larger than previously estimated, is that it facilitates the ability of countries to plan their onshore resource development more efficiently, thereby easing the way for commitments by these countries to move entirely to clean, renewable energy for all purposes."


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More information: Peter Enevoldsen et al, How much wind power potential does europe have? Examining european wind power potential with an enhanced socio-technical atlas, Energy Policy (2019). DOI: 10.1016/j.enpol.2019.06.064
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Aug 14, 2019
This study is false, because it fails to account for the effect where more wind turbines in a geographical area cause adjacent areas to lose wind because the turbulent boundary layer grows thicker and the high winds move higher up into the sky, out of reach of the turbines.

https://iopscienc...1/015021
Estimates that ignore the effect of wind turbine drag on local winds have assumed that wind power production of 2–4 W m−2 can be sustained over large areas. New results from a mesoscale model suggest that wind power production is limited to about 1 W m−2 at wind farm scales larger than about 100 km2.


52.5 TW spread over the 10,180,000 km^2 of Europe is 5.16 W/m^2 which means they're over-estimating the wind power potential by a factor of 5.

Their power density potential maps are true for any location only if the neighboring areas and countries aren't also trying to use wind power to the maximum potential.

Aug 14, 2019
5 million square kilometres of suitable terrain generating 497 EJ of power


Joules are't power, they're energy.

Assuming they meant Joules per year, that's 15.76 TW of power. Divided by 5 million km^2 it's still 3.15 W/m^2 which is still over-estimating the large scale power density potential by a factor of 3

This article is going all over the place. It's total bunk.

Aug 14, 2019
5 million square kilometres of suitable terrain generating 497 EJ of power

Joules are't power, they're energy.
Eikka

That was obviously just a misedit as it is obvious they would know the difference. That doesn't mean everything or most things said there is wrong. At least most things they said there is correct. There is nothing much wrong with the above research or their findings.

Aug 14, 2019
5 million square kilometres of suitable terrain generating 497 EJ of power


Joules are't power, they're energy.
That was obviously just a misedit as it is obvious they would know the difference. That doesn't mean everything or most things said there is wrong. At least most things they said there is correct. There is nothing much wrong with the above research or findings.
If you look at the actual source;
https://www.scien...a%3Dihub
You see the researchers didn't make that mistake and didn't say "EJ of power" so they were misquoted.

Aug 15, 2019
eikka
which is still over-estimating the large scale power density potential by a factor of 3
Have you contacted them - to discuss your disagreement? And even if you are correct with your numbers - it means that Europe has the capacity to supply 1/3 of the world's energy - using just on shore wind. That is 1/3 of the world's energy - from an area of land that is approx 1/15 of the world's land surface area. Of course - off shore has significantly more potential - and then factor in solar, geothermal, hydro, tidal, wave - and you have a pretty good argument that renewables can easily meet the energy needs of our world.
Great article about the future of energy.

Aug 16, 2019
Europe is chopping down trees to make room for wind/solar(bird-choppers/land-intensive monstrosities backed by coal/oil/gas to compensate intermittencies) for achieving almost nothing at reducing emissions,
and want to teach the rest of world how to protect forests. Green Hypocrisy.
"Jair Bolsonaro to Merkel: Reforest Germany, not Amazon" - Ago 15, 2019
"Take your dough and reforest Germany, OK? It's much more needed there than here."
https://www.dw.co...50032213

Europe has the potential to supply enough energy for the whole world until 2050.
But people who state it use tons of fossil fuels to power their cars, ships, private jets, instead of their beloved sunshine&breeze unicorn energy, e.g. Mark Jacobson, Benjamin Sovacool, et al.

RE promoters are modern "snake oil salesmen", not even they "eat their own dog food".

Aug 16, 2019
But people who state it use tons of fossil fuels to power their cars
Keep telling you - we are in the early days of the transition. Perhaps some are driving electric cars, and have solar panels on their roofs. You don't know how to think in terms of nuance. Notice that renewable energy is on the rise, and fossil fuels and nukes are dying. How many nuclear power plants do you have running your house? How many do you have in your car? How many nuclear planes have you travelled in recently? moron.

Aug 17, 2019
Any one unclear about the transition to carbon free energy - should read this report from Bloomberg. https://www.renew...ory.html

Look at the chart that shows Levelized Cost of Electricity for 2019. Understand that wind and solar have been going down in cost for the past 50 years - and will continue down in cost. Game over. Willie Ward becomes a chump - who knows nothing about a very complex topic - and spends his life regurgitating false quotes. Quite pathetic.

Aug 17, 2019
Keep telling you - we are in the early days of the transition.
Solar and wind are a joke. Intermittent renewables only exist to steal taxpayers' money(through subsidies/tax incentives) and to favor coal/oil/gas/fracking over Hydro and carbon-free nuclear energy.

Transition? What a joke!

Thanks to DIESEL, Greta Thunberg & Greenpeace aren't killing whales, nor destroying forests, to prevent them from freezing in the dark aboard their Sunshine&Breeze unicorn-powered ships.
https://www.dw.co...50019103
https://pbs.twimg...LLvS.jpg
"Isn't Norway the one that kills whales up there in the North Pole? That also does oil exploration there?"

Scam after Scam:
"The world's first solar road has turned out to be a colossal failure that's falling apart and doesn't generate enough energy, according to a report" - Aug 2019
https://www.busin...e-2019-8

Pathetic!

Aug 17, 2019
Transition? What a joke!
So what are you doing about climate change? (besides repeating fake bullshit on the internet) What are your precious nukes doing about climate change?

I would absolutely agree that the transition is happening too slowly. So what do you propose to do about that? At least renewables are increasing their share of the electricity mix. Electric cars are about to hit a tipping point.

If you look at the first chart on this report - you will see that ONLY renewables are increasing their share of the electricity generation. So hey nuclear liar fanboy - what are you doing about climate change? https://www.renew...ory.html

Aug 17, 2019
So what are you doing about climate change?
"Remember The Solar Road In France? It Was A Disaster" - Aug 14, 2019
http://insideevs....sco/amp/
Solar and wind aren't solution to Climate Change.
They have failed miserably at every attempt to reduce emissions after trillions of dollars spent worldwide.
In a world of limited Hydro, carbon-free nuclear is the only scalable way to stop Climate Change.

At least renewables are increasing their share of the electricity mix.
"installed-capacity" ≠ "emissions avoided"
"In June, July, August and September 2018, wind power in the European Union had an average generation of 20 GW, when the installed capacity is 178 GW."
http://pbs.twimg....rmat=jpg
wind/solar = 10% wind/solar + 90% natgas
"Renewables are the fastest growing sources of electricity. Yet the increase in CO2 accelerates? When will people appreciate what's wrong here?"
http://pbs.twimg....RC7A.jpg

Aug 17, 2019
Solar and wind aren't solution
Except that as I just pointed out to you - they are the ONLY generating source that is increasing in capacity. And yes - C02 emissions are still increasing. Can't expect wind and solar to solve the problem of global emissions - that include industry, and the transportation sector - overnight. It is going to take time. Nukes have had 70 years - and they have done shit. So as I keep pointing out to you - nukes have failed haven't they. And the increase would have been much greater - if it was not for renewable. So again - liar Willie - what are you and your nukes doing about climate change?

Aug 17, 2019
...Can't expect wind and solar to solve the problem of global emissions ... transportation sector - overnight...
It's exactly in the Transportation Sector that can be seen clearly that solar an wind are joke at replacing fossil fuels.
Greta Thunberg relies on diesel to prevent her from freezing at night aboard her sunshine&breeze-powered ship.
http://www.dw.com...50019103

"The first solar powered car was built in 1955. By 1982, just 27 years later, the first solar car had crossed Australia. They are still having competitions to drive solar cars around and across Australia. Typically carrying a single person. Compare nuclear submarines. The first idea for these was in 1939. In 1951 the first one was begun. By 1960 the first one had circumnavigated the planet underwater with a crew of 170. It's amazing how solar power can have such a long and stunning record of mediocrity and failure and still find advocates!" - Geoff Russell

Aug 17, 2019
It's exactly in the Transportation Sector that can be seen clearly that solar an wind are joke at replacing fossil fuels
Ditto for nukes - so what is your solution? What are you and your nukes doing for climate change Willie? At least renewables are now taking a bite out of emissions from electricity generation. Picking up where nukes have failed - and now coming in at way below the cost of nukes. Early days for the transition. Ships, truck and cars are just starting to switch to electric. It is going to take decades. Shame people like you had to push overpriced nukes - and we wasted so much time.

Aug 17, 2019
What are you and your nukes doing for climate change
Just take a look at carbon-free nuclear-powered countries/states(France, Sweden, Ontario) and compare with solar/wind-powered countries/states(Germany, Denmark, California).
https://www.elect...map.org/
Carbon-free nuclear has done much more, with much less money, in much less time, and with much less ecological impacts.

"London Blackout Blamed on Drop in Wind and Natural-Gas Power" - Aug 9, 2019
"Today what happened is a major offshore wind generation site and a gas turbine failed at the same time,"
https://www.bloom...as-power
Interesting to notice how wind/solar is strongly linked to natural gas.
Ban coal/oil/gas, and wind/solar dies.
Nature(bird, bats, bees, natural landscapes, wildlife habitats) will thank us.

Early days for the transition.
First fotovoltaic panel: 1883
First nuclear reactor: 1942

Aug 17, 2019
Carbon-free nuclear has done much more, with much less money
Liar. Hinkley point is going to cost 12.5 cents a Kwh. Nukes have had 70 years to solve the climate change problem - and have done nothing to reduce emissions. Now Renewables are getting a turn - and we are turning things around. It is going to take time. Time that you wasted - by promoting over priced nukes. Stop telling lies.

Aug 17, 2019
Wind and solar are now cheapest across more than two-thirds of the world. By 2030 they undercut commissioned coal and gas almost everywhere
Can't say that about nukes, can you Willie? Shame we had to waste so much precious time - listening to the nuke fan boys - who don't understand energy. You will go extinct Willie - don't worry.
https://about.bne...outlook/

Aug 18, 2019
...Nukes have had 70 years to solve the climate change problem...
Carbon-free nuclear has been blocked every time by the faux-greens(like you) to favor their Eco-hypocritical energy solutions(bird-choppers/land-intensive monstrosities backed up by coal/oil/gas/fracking to compensate intermittencies) but even so carbon-free nuclear has been proven vastly superior in the requisite decarbonization of the grid at national scale, e.g. France, Sweden.
"The ones that went with nuclear and hydro decarbonized. The ones that went with wind and solar failed and keep failing."
"If you look around a little http://electricitymap.org , you will quickly notice that countries with low CO2 emissions create this with a lot of hydropower, with a lot of nuclear energy or with a lot of both."

Wind and solar are now cheapest across more than two-thirds of the world.
If wind and solar are so cheap, why do you still continue connected to the Oklahoma's fossil-fueled grid(>70% coal/gas)?

Aug 18, 2019
Carbon-free nuclear has been blocked every time by the faux-greens
Really? They are incredibly powerful aren't they? Maybe nukes cant compete on a cost basis - so wind and solar are winning based on economics.
why do you still continue connected to the Oklahoma's fossil-fueled grid(>70% coal/gas)?
And 30% wind - and growing. How much nukes? So lookie Willie - wind is displacing ff, and nukes aint. Wonder why that might be? Shame the world had to waste so much time on over priced nukes. That's OK Willie - dinosaurs who know nothing go extinct eventually. That is why wind and solar are the only generating source increasing it's share of generation.

Aug 18, 2019
Who is winning based on economics is natural gas(fracking, methane worse than CO2), with no concern about radioactive fracking waste.
Wind and solar are just decorative facades for the gas(fracking) industry.

Ban coal/oil/gas, and wind/solar dies.
Apply carbon tax, and wind/solar dies.
"Germany is blocking the price of carbon. Why? Because it will increase the price of electricity from renewables backed up by natural gas. And will increase competitiveness of nuclear power from France."
http://pbs.twimg....4yco.jpg
http://pbs.twimg....dywn.jpg
"A carbon tax will kill renewable deployment because it will increase the price of natural gas which is a backup for RE. But it will make nuclear power immediately profitable. This is why a lot of "greens" are really against it deep in their hearts."
http://pbs.twimg....D91s.jpg

wind and solar are the only generating source increasing it's share of generation
Together with Natural Gas.

Aug 18, 2019
Who is winning based on economics is natural gas
Not true. Renewables are showing the strongest growth in electricity production - and as they get cheaper - which they will - this growth will accelerate.

https://www.eia.g...?id=3270

Shame you did not pay attention on the first day of class.

Aug 18, 2019
"...Renewables are showing the strongest growth in electricity production..."
with no emission reduction.
"In an energy-hungry world, natural gas gaining the most" - Jun 7, 2019
https://www.axios...cb7.html
No, not renewables. Gas. A fossil fuel.

Green logic is amazing:
"renewable" = "natural gas"
100% renewables = 80% fracked gas + 20% intermittent renewables
"Green Wash"
http://pbs.twimg....YA_d.jpg

Check your source, stupid!
http://www.eia.go...1Gen.png
http://www.eia.go...?id=3270
Intermittent renewables are growing on the back of natural gas, with nothing to show at reducing emissions / dependence on coal/oil/gas.
Solar and wind are parasites, they will ever need a host.
http://pbs.twimg....sJpl.jpg

Aug 18, 2019
with no emission reduction
All Willie knows how to do is lie - https://www.carbo...nce-1990
Check your source stupid!
And then Willie links to a projection - that was constructed in 2008 - ha ha ha ha ha.
The strong growth in 2018 continues the remarkable trend of the last five years, which reflects an ongoing shift towards renewable power as the driver of global energy transformation


What happened to those nukes - stupid?

https://www.forbe...05f23064

Aug 19, 2019
"Analysis: Why the UK's CO2 emissions have fallen 38% since 1990"
"...mix based on gas and renewables instead of coal, as well as falling demand for energy across homes, businesses and industry."
Natural gas(methane(CH₄): 70x worse than CO₂) has replaced coal and halved CO₂ emissions while wind/solar took the credits, providing an expensive form (economically/ecologically) of "greenwashing" for the gas/fracking industry.

Why is UK having expensive electricity and blackouts? Because intermittent renewables.
"London Blackout Blamed on Drop in Wind and Natural-Gas Power" - Aug 9, 2019
"Today what happened is a major offshore wind generation site and a gas turbine failed at the same time,"
http://www.bloomb...as-power

Unlike solar & wind, carbon-free nuclear reduces CO2 emissions without gas.
Wind & solar are parasites, cannot survive without gas.
"the wind plants and the solar plants, are gas plants"

Aug 19, 2019
Unlike solar & wind, carbon-free nuclear reduces CO2 emissions without gas
Wind and solar are displacing fossil fuels all over the world. Show us an example of nukes doing this - in the last 10 years. Take a look at the graph on this report "UK electricity generated by fossil fuels and renewables." You just have to be smart enough to continue those curves Willie. Shame you are not that smart. It is all in the big plant. First knock off coal plants - and then turn on gas plants. Give another 20 years Willie. See how many nukes are being built.

Aug 20, 2019
...Wind and solar are displacing fossil fuels all over the world...
In some way you're correct because:
"Wind and solar" = 20% "Wind and solar" + 80% Natural gas
"renewable" = "natural gas"
"EIA: natural gas-fired reciprocating engines are being deployed more to balance renewables" - Feb 2019
https://www.green...eia.html
"In an energy-hungry world, natural gas gaining the most" - Jun 2019
https://www.axios...cb7.html
"Natural Gas Let The UK Go Seven Days Without Coal, Activists Credit Renewables" - May 2019
https://climatech...ral-gas/
natural gas: the perfect partner for renewables
https://pbs.twimg...ZOPl.jpg

Aug 20, 2019
Maybe Willie should read his own links
But it's industrial uses for natural gas, such as chemicals and fertilizers, that are the biggest drivers of growth in most areas of the world,
But as I have already pointed out - in the area of electricity generation (that is what renewables are all about) - renewables are the only source currently increasing. https://www.renew...ory.html
And projected to continue to increase - given the falling cost of renewables. So - Willie is of course unable to show a similar reality for nukes - cuz they are too expensive. So what are you doing to reduce the industrial uses of nat gas Willie? Other than try to slow down the adoption of the lowest cost low carbon energy source - by telling lies?

Aug 21, 2019
Solar and wind are parasites, cannot survive without fossil fuels.
"solar on the system leads to more NOx pollution from "stop and go" fossil generation"
"A seven-month investigation and numerous public information requests have revealed the move to increase solar power might be leading to an increase in the very emissions alternative energy sources aim to reduce."
https://nsjonline...llution/

"...renewables are the only source currently increasing..."
if by "renewables" you mean "natural gas", you're right.
See these charts:
https://pbs.twimg...rmat=jpg
https://pbs.twimg...rmat=jpg
"In reality, however, there was never a "renewable" energy revolution. It was just a scam financed by taxpayers."
https://pbs.twimg...rmat=jpg

Aug 21, 2019
if by "renewables" you mean "natural gas", you're right
When I say renewables, that is what I mean. See this chart - https://aemstatic...731.jpeg

Notice Willie keeps showing graphs of world ENERGY. No matter how many times you tell the little dip shit - that you cannot blame the electricity sector - for planes, boats, trucks, and heavy industry. but the tide is turning. Willie just has to keep lying. https://electrek....c-ferry/

How many nukes you got under your car hood Willie?

Aug 22, 2019
...When I say renewables, that is what I mean. See this chart...
Most of renewables are Biomass, worse than coal in terms of emissions.
"Renewables are the fastest growing sources of electricity. Yet the increase in CO2 accelerates? When will people appreciate what's wrong here?"
http://pbs.twimg....RC7A.jpg

"World's largest all-electric ferry completes its maiden trip" recharged by diesel/gasoline-generators.Solar and wind are scams.
...you cannot blame the electricity sector - for planes, boats, trucks, and heavy industry. but the tide is turning...
The tide is not turning for those who believe solar/wind replaces fossil fuels in practice.
"Greta will create 6x more CO2 sailing than had she flown"
https://www.forbe...want-to/
Intermittent renewables are a joke at replacing fossil fuels.

People like you believe in their own lies.

Aug 22, 2019
When will people appreciate what's wrong here?
I think people are beginning to appreciate what is wrong. The strangle hold of the fossil fuel industry is slipping. No thanks of course to nukes - but thanks to renewable energy.
recharged by diesel/gasoline-generators.Solar and wind are scams.
About 95% of Norway's electricity comes from hydro - big fat liar. https://en.wikipe...n_Norway

People like you believe in their own lies
Nope - we believe in facts. Sorry you did not pay attention on the first day of school - big fat liar.


Aug 23, 2019
Wind and solar need coal/gas-fired backup plants running all time to compensate fluctuations of production and demand.
They are parasites, cannot survive without fossil fuels. Trump is right.
"the increase of solar power in its home state of North Carolina is responsible for a spike in nitrogen oxide pollution"
https://www.ewg.o...carolina

About 95% of Norway's electricity comes from hydro
"The most dishonest trick of solar and wind proponents is to include large hydro when showing the share of renewables in the energy grid, and then talk primarily about how solar and wind can help decarbonize the economy."
"Most fans of renewable energy explicitly reject renewable hydroelectricity if it involves damming a river. Most renewable energy-lovers are also dam-haters."
https://pbs.twimg...xW7f.jpg

In a world of limited Hydro, solar and wind must parasite coal/oil/gas to survive.

Aug 23, 2019
The most dishonest trick of solar and wind...blah blah blah
So when you are caught telling vicious little shit lies - all you can do is deflect. But the fact is you have been proven wrong.

Aug 23, 2019
In a world of limited Hydro, solar and wind must parasite coal/oil/gas to survive
Which is why renewables are the only energy source increasing. So you are a liar. And the rate of increase will of course accelerate - as the cost of wind and solar drop. Notice what is happening to nukes Willie?

Aug 24, 2019
No coal/oil/gas, poor European people freeze to death.
"Wind-farm operator reveals a problem — not enough wind" - Aug 22, 2019
"We experienced operational performance issues on our wind assets, mainly driven by low levels of wind."
"A new study published in the journal Energy Policy earlier this month showed around 54% of Europe's landmass was unsuitable for wind power generation because of infrastructure or restricted land areas"
https://www.marke...19-08-22

"Which is why renewables are the only energy source increasing" together with natural gas, stupid!

"cost of wind and solar drop"
Low quality products are usually cheap because they are unreliable; no one wants it in fact. It's needed constitutional laws/mandates to force people to buy/use it. Not even those who propagandize it, buy/use it by free will, including you(green sociopath, maniac compulsive pathological liar).

Aug 25, 2019
A new study published in the journal Energy Policy earlier this month showed around 54% of Europe's landmass was unsuitable for wind power generation because of infrastructure or restricted land areas


But another study showed that Europe could supply the whole world with power - just from on shore wind - https://www.zmesc...4082019/

But we wont have to rely just on on shore wind - cuz we have off shore wind, hydro, geothermal, solar, tidal, etc. etc. etc.


Aug 25, 2019
...But another study showed that Europe could supply the whole world with power - just from on shore wind...
Such studies are carried out by academic charlatans/"snake oil salesmen", such as Mark Jacobson, Benjamin Sovacool, et al.; they claim that solar and wind can power the whole world while in their every day life they burn tons of fossil fuels.

Jacobson never takes into account the ecological costs of his fancy 100% WWS.
Sovacool never includes mining activities for intermittent renewables.
WWS:
"Wind Water & Solar" are free & renewable, but
"Windmills, Hydro Dams & Solar Panels", as well batteries & transmission lines, aren't.
They don't grow on trees and don't last forever.
Economically/ecologically costly.
https://pbs.twimg...7sQP.jpg
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https://pbs.twimg...RvbN.jpg


Aug 25, 2019
they claim that solar and wind can power the whole world while in their every day life they burn tons of fossil fuels
Yeah Willie - they have to deal with reality. Just as you do. You claim that nukes can power the whole world - while in your every day life - you burn tons of fossil fuels. See how that works? So the big difference is - 1. that renewable energy is actually replacing fossil fuels (mostly coal at the moment - but gas in next on the list.) 2. The cost - we think it is smart to use cheap renewables as the carbon free option - rather than expensive nukes. Then poor people wont have to freeze to death in the winter...

Aug 25, 2019
Solar and wind are scams.
"Are not solar panels life expectancies typically "guaranteed" to 20 + years?"
"Walmart sues Tesla over solar panel fires at seven stores"
https://www.cnbc....res.html
https://www.nytim...res.html
"Walmart suing Tesla after seven fires at stores that were using solar panels"
https://www.usato...6251001/
"Walmart sues Tesla for negligence after repeated solar system fires"
https://finance.y...908.html
Yearly, renewables cause more deaths than all civilian nuclear in 60 years.

...renewable energy is actually replacing fossil fuels (mostly coal at the moment - but gas in next on the list.)...
Intermittent renewables are unable to replace coal/oil/gas at same time. Wind & solar are scams, they only exist to steal taxpayers' money.

Aug 26, 2019
Walmart sues Tesla over solar panel fires at seven stores
And now they are working out the issue - and going to be re-energizing the systems. Maybe Willie forgot about all the nuclear power incidents that have happened over the years - https://en.wikipe...ncidents

Intermittent renewables are unable to replace coal/oil/gas at same time
Just not true - and as more and more countries head towards 100% renewables - you get left in the dustbin of history

Please stop lying willie - it is pathetic to watch.

Aug 26, 2019
... more and more countries head towards 100% renewables...
By "100% renewables" you mean "80% natural gas + 20% intermittent renewables".

C'mom, green sociopath(pathetic maniac compulsive pathological liar), cite again Costa Rica(as fake-example of how solar and wind have displaced coal/oil/gas).
"Costa Rica is extolled for its "99% renewables" electricity production - predominantly (78%) from hydropower (due to its unique topography)."
"Less known is that just short of 70% of Costa Rica's overall energy consumption is from fossil fuels."
https://pbs.twimg...kvdr.jpg
https://pbs.twimg...c3aP.jpg
https://www.indep...111.html

Renewables and fossil fuels cause more fatalities per minute than all civilian nuclear in 60 years.

Aug 26, 2019
By "100% renewables" you mean "80% natural gas + 20% intermittent renewables"
No idiot liar - I mean 100% renewables. Countries like Sweden are well on the way. Sweden is over 50% renewables now - and ahead of targets for 100% renewables by 2040. Willie cant name a country on that track with nukes. His poster child France is going in the opposite direction.
https://www.treeh...rly.html
70% of Costa Rica's overall energy consumption is from fossil fuels
Still cant get that technical distinction of electricity generation vs total energy (including transportation and industry, and heating) straight can you Willie? How much of Costa Rica's energy consumption is nukes Willie? Come on Willie - answer the damn question.....

Aug 29, 2019
..Countries like Sweden are well on the way..
Sweden has low CO2 emissions thanks to hydro & carbon-free nuclear, not thanks to wind/solar(bird-choppers/land-intensive monstrosities backed up by coal/oil/gas to compensate fluctuations of production & demand).

..Still cant get that technical distinction of electricity generation vs total energy (including transportation and industry, and heating)..
Solar & wind are parasites, cannot survive without a host(a fossil-fueled grid).
In the Transportation Sector & Industry & Heating, sunshine&breeze are clearly a joke at replacing fossil fuels, they can't manufacture themselves without cheap coal/oil/gas, they can't prevent poor families from freezing in the dark, most who propagandize solar/wind use tons of fossil fuels to power their jets, cars, or to recharge electric vehicles.

Parasitic people love and identify themselves with intermittent renewables.

China(biggest RE manufacturer) is on track with carbon-free nuclear.

Aug 29, 2019
Sweden has low CO2 emissions thanks to hydro & carbon-free nuclear, not thanks to wind/solar
About 11 per cent of the electricity comes from wind power. Also, combined heat and power (CHP) plants account for 9 per cent of the electricity output in Sweden, and these are mainly powered by biofuels

That's why it is called an energy transition Willie - cuz we are in the process of closing down our fossil fuel resources - and replacing them with renewables. I always include hydro when I refer to renewables. Keep telling you that Willie - you are too stupid to learn.

Aug 29, 2019
Chinese companies are subcontractors to France's EDF in the construction of the Hinckley Point C reactor and have been reeling from the main contractor's massive cost overruns.
Yeah Willie - the French and the Chinese - the two most experienced countries in the world with nukes - are fucking the British tax payer to the tune of 12.5 cents kwh - wholesale price. While I pay 5 cents kwh for the wind power I get in Oklahoma. And the cost on wind and solar keep coming down.

Good luck with the nukes Willie liar - let's wait and see shall we?


Aug 30, 2019
..That's why it is called an energy transition..
The only real energy transition occurred is from coal to gas, from carbon-free nuclear to natgas(methane: worse than CO2).
Intermittent renewables are just 'decorative facades' for the gas(fracking) industry.
"Green Energy Transition Is Destroying Germany's Competitiveness, CEO Warns"
https://www.thegw...o-warns/

I always include hydro when I refer to renewables.
Because solar and wind are always parasites on something; they can't survive without a host.
You can power a whole region with only Hydro without solar/wind, but you cannot power even a small city only with solar/wind without cheap coal/gas-fired backup plants, because batteries are prohibitively expensive dirty toxic.

...5 cents kwh for the wind power I get in Oklahoma...
"5 cents" most thanks to Oklahoma's cheap fracked gas. Your "wind" is parasite, cannot survive without coal/oil/gas.

Aug 30, 2019
Because solar and wind are always parasites
No they are not - Willie Liar. Is nuclear always a parasite? Can you show me 1 country on track to 100% nukes? I can show you countries that are on track to 100% renewables (which will include hydro, storage etc.) Maybe Willie should do some reading - https://renewecon...e-58109/
nuclear power just doesn't stack up against firmed renewables – already at price parity with new-build coal and gas and "well and truly" on track to becoming the lowest cost generation form for the National Electricity Market....Nuclear power, meanwhile, was around four times more expensive – $16,000/kW for the still mainly conceptual Small Modular Reactor technology
Facts are a real problem for liars like the Donald, and Willie liar.

Aug 31, 2019
...Can you show me 1 country on track to 100% nukes? I can show you countries that are on track to 100% renewables...
In a world of limited Hydro:
100% renewables = 80% natural gas + 20% intermittent renewables
100% carbon-free nuclear = 0% fossil-fuels
That's why the Faux-Greens are radically against carbon-free nuclear.

No menace for the coal/oil/gas/fracking industries:
"The first solar powered car was built in 1955. By 1982, just 27 years later, the first solar car had crossed Australia. They are still having competitions to drive solar cars around and across Australia. Typically carrying a single person. Compare nuclear submarines. The first idea for these was in 1939. In 1951 the first one was begun. By 1960 the first one had circumnavigated the planet underwater with a crew of 170. It's amazing how solar power can have such a long and stunning record of mediocrity and failure and still find advocates!"
http://pbs.twimg....HCiM.jpg
Solar/wind is a joke.

Aug 31, 2019
I asked if you could show me one country on track to 100% nuclear. Your answer - a pathetic non answer
In a world of limited Hydro...
Blah blah blah Willie. I can show you countries that are moving towards 100% renewables - and renewables are cheaper than nukes. It is going to take time Willie - you can't expect to close down all the current power plants over night. That would be a disaster. So step at a time - we are shutting down the coal plants first - and will work on gas as the next step. Renewables are doing the heavy lifting Willie - your nukes are just too expensive.

Sep 01, 2019
I can show you countries that are moving towards 100% renewables
Yes, you can:
100% renewables = 80% natural gas + 20% intermittent renewables
By "renewables are cheaper than nukes" you mean "intermittent renewables backed up by natural gas(fracking) are cheaper than nukes" you're are right too.

Now show us a country that is moving towards 100% "wind/solar+storage/batteries", with no cheap fracked gas no coal.

So step at a time
Solar & wind are scams; they only exist to steal people's money; in less than 15 years they will be just a bunch of junkyards.
"While we are extending the life of existing Nuclear plants to 60, 80 or even 100 years we are finding the life of solar panels is diminishing. I wonder if the Climate Lobby factored that in?"
http://www.greenb...climbing

we are shutting down the coal plants first - and will work on gas as the next step
Carbon-free nuclear displaces coal/oil/gas at same time.

Sep 02, 2019
Now show us a country that is moving towards 100% "wind/solar+storage/batteries", with no cheap fracked gas no coal
Why don't you show us a country that is moving towards 100% nukes, with no cheap fracked gas? Because that question shows how much of a liar you are. What I can show you is many countries around the world - that are displacing fossil fuels with renewables (as I constantly stress - that means wind/solar/geothermal/hydro/biofuels/tidal/wave/etc.

So go ahead Willie - tell us why renewables are increasing at a very steady pace around the world, and nukes are not. https://www.click...-energy/
Carbon-free nuclear displaces coal/oil/gas at same time
As does carbon free renewables. The problem is that we have a legacy system that the fossil fuel industry has built over the past 100 years - and it is going to take time to retire that system - and replace it.

Sep 02, 2019
...Why don't you show us a country that is moving towards 100% nukes...
Because faux-greens don't allow 100% carbon-free nuclear because it means 0% fossil fuels.
Faux-greens give full support to 100% renewables i.e. 80% natural gas + 20% intermittent renewables.

Your examples always include natural gas, e.g. UK, Oklahoma, etc.; but you dishonestly never specifies it.
"Renewables are a scam: they run on GAS."

"12 Countries Leading the Way in Renewable Energy"
These countries have abundant supply of Hydro, natural gas(fracking), and even coal(Germany, lignite & brown coal as "not coal").

RE charlatans("snake oil salesmen") never stop surprising us:
- brown & lignite coal are not coal;
- solar/wind is cheap(batteries not included);
- 100% renewable is possible with natural gas;
- 100% RE (e.g. Costa Rica >90% Hydro).
http://pbs.twimg....J3LQ.jpg
http://pbs.twimg....GM-5.jpg
Renewables are a fraud to steal taxpayers' money.

Sep 02, 2019
Because faux-greens don't allow 100% carbon-free nuclear
Wow - we are so powerful. Or maybe it is because the fossil fuel industry has trillions of dollars - and has built a legacy generation system - that is going to take generations to be fully replaced. And maybe renewables are kicking nuclear's ass - cuz they are cheaper. So the fact is that you can't handle that reality - which is so easily validated by the current costs on building nukes - vs building renewables. Hinkley Point is running 12.5 cents kwh for wholesale price. Come on Willie - learn to do math. It is not some giant conspiracy by your boogy man "faux greens." It is just facts that you can't accept - so you have to keep lying your ass off.

Sep 02, 2019
Renewables are a fraud to steal taxpayers' money
Or they are the cheaper than nukes - which don't look so hot for your pay masters - who are running all over the world - begging for gubermint hand outs
Natural gas and clean, renewable energy are beating coal and nuclear electricity on price


http://blogs.edf....xpayers/


Sep 03, 2019
According to Eco-nuts: renewables are kicking fossil fuels' ass - cuz they are cheaper; but in the real life they use tons of "expensive" fossil fuels instead of their "cheap" sunshine&breeze unicorn fart energy. You can't handle that reality.
"Climate change protesters admit using a diesel generator to power their stage" - Sep 1, 2019
http://pbs.twimg....rmat=jpg
https://notalotof...r-stage/

Renewables are a cult completely dishonest and divorced from the reality, not even their preachers/gurus follow it.

Renewables don't exist without cheap gas to back them up, without cheap coal to manufacture them.
Renewables are "clean" if you ignore how solar panels/windmills are manufactured/mined/transported/installed/repaired / discarded.
Renewables are scams.
"Abandoning the concept of renewable energy"
http://osf.io/pre...v/hdb2g/

Sep 03, 2019
they use tons of "expensive" fossil fuels
So do nukes - https://www.getty...pup=true

So we are still left with the reality that they are cheaper.

Renewables don't exist without cheap gas to back them up
And neither do nukes - at the moment. You can't show me a country that uses 100% nukes.

What I can show you is graphs - showing that renewables are increasing - and nukes are not. And we are only just reaching the point where renewables are cheaper than legacy fuels - so it is early days - and the smart money is on renewables. But hey Willie - keep giving that gubermint hand out money to your dying industry - https://www.washi...irect=on

Sep 05, 2019
they use tons of "expensive" fossil fuels
Solar & wind are unable to replace fossil fuels even in small scale.
Try to replace horses by solar panels/windmills.
http://pbs.twimg....rmat=jpg
http://uploads.di...f497.jpg

Solar & wind are cheap, because they are useless, low quality products.
Solar & wind are underdog.
Carbon-free nuclear is a topdog.

...showing that renewables are increasing...
Renewables are increasing, as well the electricity prices and emissions, also the hatred(for bird-choppers/land intensive monstrosities) is growing.
"Angry residents send German wind industry spinning" - Sep 5, 2019
http://techxplore...try.html
"The more you know about renewables, the less you like them. The more you know about nuclear, the more you like it. The only thing holding us back is ignorance, superstition and fear of the unknown."

Sep 05, 2019
Solar & wind are unable to replace fossil fuels even in small scale
Your lies just get easier and easier to disprove.
while that for wind power and solar will be 230 GW and 250 GW, according to the China Renewable Energy Development Report 2018, released by the CREEI last week

http://www.xinhua...1906.htm
That is an awful lot of wind and solar Willie. And we are just getting started. And nukes can't hold a candle to it. https://en.wikipe...in_China

What ever rubbish you say about renewables Willie - always applies right back about nukes. So what is your point? Almost 500 GW, vs 46 GW Willie. Come on - take a math class.

Sep 05, 2019
The only thing holding us back is ignorance, superstition and fear of the unknown
Of which Willie knows much - and constantly peddles his lies - with his need to spread fud.

What Willie could do is become familiar with the facts. Here is just one example - of how the tide is turning - https://renewecon...ig15.jpg

Show us how fast nukes are putting coal and gas out of business Willie. At least the curve goes UP with renewables.

Sep 06, 2019
...wind power and solar will be 230 GW and 250 GW...
~480GW of intermittent/unreliable energy that will need another 480GW from coal/gas-fired backup plants to compensate fluctuations of production & demand.
You dishonestly talk about installed-capacity but never about emissions avoided or coal/oil/gas i.e. all fossil fuels displaced at same time.
Solar and wind are fossil-addicted-parasites.

"We often have climate charlatans claiming China is leading the renewable revolution. Well here is the truth."
"China: No Wind Or Solar If It Can't Beat Coal On Price" - Jan 2019
"China has said it will not approve wind and solar power projects unless they can compete with coal power prices."
http://www.forbes...as-coal/

"China is funding its nuclear power future by selling solar panels to those who don't know better."
http://pbs.twimg....199u.jpg
http://pbs.twimg....4AcS.jpg

Sep 06, 2019
480GW of intermittent/unreliable energy that will need another 480GW from coal/gas-fired
No they wont - that is just a big lie. You never heard of storage, or hydro, or geothermal, or biofuels, or transmission - did you? We have hydro, battery, transmission, geothermal, etc. etc. etc. - and we are developing new storage and back systems as we speak. https://techcrunc...adlines/

Hey - we could use nukes for back up - except that they are so expensive.

But really Willie - how can you want to be taken seriously in a discussion of energy generation - when you have never even heard of storage. That really is how stupid your are. If they require equal levels of 'backup' - from fossil fuels - how do you think Sweden will be at 100% by 2030? What about Scotland, or Norway. Oh that's right - you don't know what you are talking about.

Sep 07, 2019
...You never heard of storage, or hydro, or geothermal, or biofuels, or transmission - did you?...
- hydro(the only renewable proven effective at reducing emissions in large scale) is geographically limited(site specific);
- geothermal(proven effective only in small scale) is also site-specific, and in large scale can be worse than fracking, releasing radioactive materials(radon, etc.) into the atmosphere;
- biofuels are worse than coal in terms of emissions, destroy forests and compete with agriculture;
- transmission lines, batteries, etc., don't grow on trees.

...We have hydro, battery, transmission, geothermal, etc. etc. etc...
Please show us your panacea of placebos working in small scale(>20k inhabitants) with solar and wind supplying at least 1/3(~30%) of energy along the year in a economical way.

...you have never even heard of storage...
Solar and wind have poor ERoI, worse yet including storage/batteries. They are fake solutions.

Sep 07, 2019
hydro(the only renewable proven effective at reducing emissions in large scale) is geographically limited
So what? It is one resource in a basket of resources. Sadly you have never heard of storage - and so propagate the internet with your lies.

Please show us your panacea of placebos working in small scale(>20k inhabitants) with solar and wind supplying at least 1/3(~30%) of energy along the year in a economical way


Easy one - Scotland, Germany, Denmark, England, Oklahoma. I could go on and on. See Willie - the transition is happening.

Sep 07, 2019
...Scotland, Germany, Denmark, England, Oklahoma...
- Germany, Denmark, Oklahoma: mostly powered by coal & gas;
- England: mostly powered by gas;
- Scotland connected to England(UK) fossil-fueled grid.
Wind and solar are parasites, cannot survive without a fossil-fueled grid.

"Harvard study finds that wind turbines create MORE global warming than the fossil fuels they eliminate" - Aug 26, 2019
"In fact, wind turbines are more "polluting" in terms of the heat they give off than any fossil fuel energy source currently in use, which just goes to show that so-called "clean" energy is, at least in this case, a myth."
"As this new study explains, when wind turbines extract energy out of the air, they effectively slow down the wind, which alters "the exchange of heat, moisture, and momentum between the surface and the atmosphere.""
https://www.ecolo...ing.html

Bird-choppers/land-intensive monstrosities are fake solutions.

Sep 07, 2019
Germany, Denmark, Oklahoma: mostly powered by coal & gas
But they do meet the criteria that you set - "small scale(>20k inhabitants) with solar and wind supplying at least 1/3(~30%) of energy along the year in a economical way" So you don't know what you are talking about. Electricity prices in Oklahoma - are some of the cheapest in the world. We get about 1/3 of power from the wind. I am signed up for 100% wind power - and still have dirt cheap electricity prices. So look at your own question there Willie - and see that I was easily able to answer it. And the train is just pulling out of the station Willie. Wonder how much fossil fuel pollution is being displaced by nukes in Oklahoma Willie. Want me to answer that for you Willie? ZERO Willie. And if you build a nuke here - electricity prices will at least double.

Sep 07, 2019
Willie liar
Harvard study finds that wind turbines create MORE global warming than the fossil fuels they eliminate
I call bullshit Willie. Now give us a link to this article - and let us read it - and see what it really says. Here are some comments from someone who has read the article.
the statement from this review of the article: "...hilarious discovery with regards to wind power, which actually causes more global warming than the burning of fossil fuels does." is patently false. Note: It is not misleading. It is false


A quote from the article.
The climate impacts of wind and solar are small compared with the impacts of the fossil fuels they displace, but they are not necessarily negligible

You are a hateful spreader of lies Willie. https://www.energ...19_08_28

Sep 07, 2019
Oh look Willie - a quote from the author of the article
Keith, an outspoken proponent of clean energy to combat global warming, says he's sure the paper will be misinterpreted or misrepresented by some to argue against the rollout of wind power


Yeah Willie - who is misinterpreting, and misrepresenting?????
https://www.techn...warming/

Sep 08, 2019
But they do meet the criteria that you set - "small scale(>20k inhabitants) with solar and wind supplying at least 1/3(~30%) of energy along the year in a economical way"
But the remaining 2/3(~70%) is mostly fossil fuels, 'facades' for coal/oil/gas, stupid!
Moreover, they are not economical, they are heavily subsidized and cause the electricity to become ~5 more expensive.

Electricity prices in Oklahoma - are some of the cheapest in the world.
It's thanks to cheap gas/fracking, stupid!
We get about 1/3 of power from the wind.
The remaining 2/3 is from fossil fuels, stupid!

Harvard study finds that wind turbines create MORE global warming than the fossil fuels they eliminate
Show us a place where wind and solar are curbing CO2 emissions without natural gas.
Without lying, you can't, stupid!

"Renewables Threaten German Economy & Energy Supply, McKinsey Warns In New Report" - Sep 2019
http://www.mckins...de-index

Sep 08, 2019
But the remaining 2/3(~70%) is mostly fossil fuels
Irrelevant. You set a criteria - and I was easily able to meet it. Also note that exactly the same thing can be said for nukes. States/countries that have nuclear plants - also get power from fossil fuels.
Show us a place where wind and solar are curbing CO2 emissions without natural gas.
Without lying, you can't, stupid
Show us a place where nukes are curbing emissions without natural gas. You can't stupid. And please stop misrepresenting the findings of reports - it is very childish.

Every Mwh generated by renewables - is one not generated by fossil fuels. The transitions is happening - and just because we are not yet at 100% renewables - does not mean we never will be - stupid!

Sep 08, 2019
..Every Mwh generated by renewables - is one not generated by fossil fuels..
In real life: cheap renewables = 90% cheap coal/oil/gas + 10% intermittent renewables
"In June, July, August and September 2018, wind power in the European Union had an average generation of 20 GW, when the installed capacity is 178 GW."
http://pbs.twimg....rmat=jpg

..The transitions is happening - and just because we are not yet at 100% renewables - does not mean we never will be..
Fossil fuels replaced horses.
If solar & wind can't replaces horses, they can't replace fossil fuels.
http://pbs.twimg....rmat=jpg

Anti carbon-free nuclear Candidates:
"Carbon-free nuclear is unnecessary to solve Climate Change."
"All we need is unicorns,
& coal/gas-fired backup plants running all time to compensate fluctuations of production & demand."
https://twitter.c...54459904
anti-nuclear = pro-fossil-fuels / pro-energy-poverty

Sep 08, 2019
Fossil fuels replaced horses
And renewables are in the process of replacing fossil fuels. Telling lies does not change that reality.

If solar & wind can't replaces horses, they can't replace fossil fuels
Yes they can. You never heard of Tesla. And Tesla is setting the bar - and all other auto companies have to follow suit - or go extinct. Just because you can show a stupid hundred year old picture - does not mean you understand anything. The bar just keeps moving. Tesla is putting solar on peoples roofs now for $50 a month. Tesla will be marketing a million mile battery - next year. Sorry you can't keep up - Willie the dinosaur. The world is changing - and at this point - it looks like renewables are kicking nukes ass. https://electrek....t-taxis/

But hey Willie - keep misrepresenting what reports say. We will catch your lies.

Sep 09, 2019
"renewables are in the process of replacing fossil fuels.." are and will ever be.
Fossil fuels quickly replaced renewables times ago, windmills & sails by steam engines.
"Some people get overly excited with "renewable" energy, overlooking the fact that 200 years ago or so almost 100% of world energy was "renewable." As an example, here is the US."
http://pbs.twimg....SFhs.jpg
"You can't run an industrial i.e. "civilised" economy on "renewables". That's why we stopped using them about 200 year ago."

"You never heard of Tesla."
"Tesla Factory Store Uses Diesel Generators to Recharge Slow-moving Model 3 Inventory"- Mar 2019
http://4k4oijnpiu...re-2.jpg
"Tesla charger uses a diesel generator. The EV revolution will be powered by the RE revolution they say! Most of the people dumb enough to believe this propaganda, couldn't afford a Tesla!"
http://pbs.twimg....iv89.jpg

Solar&wind are scams.

Sep 09, 2019
You can't run an industrial i.e. "civilised" economy on "renewables"
Wow - you never heard of Scotland - https://www.holyr...scotland

And yes - hydro is definitely a renewable.

Tesla Factory Store Uses Diesel Generators....

More FUD from liar Willie. Tesla is doing very well thanks - I know you wish that companies like Tesla would stop being so successful - so you could hold us all back in the oil age - but too bad so sad - progress just keeps happening.

https://www.forbe...2bf97b07

Sep 09, 2019
Drip drip drip - the sound of progress continues. https://cleantech...n-miles/

A quote for Willie the fud man -
The revolution is here. Those who seize the moment will prosper while those who don't will be consigned to the dustbin of history

Sep 10, 2019
...you never heard of Scotland...
Scotland is connected to UK fossil-fueled grid, stupid!
"Scotland urged to invest in nuclear to hit climate goals" -Jun 2019
https://www.thegu...te-goals

...hydro is definitely a renewable...
"The most dishonest trick of solar and wind proponents is to include large hydro when showing the share of renewables in the energy grid, and then talk primarily about how solar and wind can help decarbonize the economy."
"Most fans of renewable energy explicitly reject renewable hydroelectricity if it involves damming a river. Most renewable energy-lovers are also dam-haters."

...Tesla is doing very well thanks...
"Walmart sues Tesla for negligence after repeated solar system fires"
http://finance.ya...908.html

CleanTechnica?
Renewables are scams, they only exist to steal taxpayers' money(through subsidies/tax incentives).

Sep 10, 2019
...Tesla is doing very well thanks...
"Walmart sues Tesla for negligence after repeated solar system fires"
http://finance.ya...908.html

Solar/wind is carbon-free and protects the environment?
Think again.
https://www3.nhk....000.html
https://twitter.c...89269505

Sep 10, 2019
Scotland is connected to UK fossil-fueled grid, stupid!
And is a net exporter of electricity to the UK - stupid.

So your
You can't run an industrial i.e. "civilised" economy on "renewables"
is pure bullshit... stupid.

Sep 11, 2019
...And is a net exporter of electricity to the UK...
Intermittent renewables produce energy when it's not needed, but when energy is most needed, mainly during the Winter, it's coal/oil/gas that prevents people from freezing in the dark.

"Britain is now dependent on Europe for energy" - May 2019
"Scotland was importing up to 1000 MW from England and the UK concurrently some 3500 MW from Europe whilst e depended on gas providing us with up to 59 per cent of our electricity. "
http://www.herald...-energy/

"Solar panels: Thousands of customers complain" - Sep 9, 2019
http://www.bbc.co...49566130
"Countries like Germany, Great Britain and Spain have invested in wind and solar power only to have higher residential electricity prices than the United States."
http://www.instit...credits/

Solar and wind are a fraud, eternal scams to steal people's money.

Sep 11, 2019
Solar and wind are a fraud, eternal scams to steal people's money
Which is why experts in the field are predicting 80% of global electricity supply will come from renewables by 2050 - stupid. https://www.green...s.36spag

Sep 12, 2019
...why experts in the field are predicting 80% of global electricity supply will come from renewables by 2050...
Because the "experts in the field" include natural gas as "renewable", stupid.
In real life: 100% renewables = 80% cheap fracked gas + 20% intermittent/expensive/unreliable renewables.

The same "experts in the field" burn tons of fossil fuels in their everyday life, screaming out "solar & wind is cheap and replaces fossil fuels".
Your "experts" are a bunch of "snake oil salesmen", academic charlatans like Jacobson, Sovacool, et al.

Sep 12, 2019
Because the "experts in the field" include natural gas as "renewable", stupid
Ohhh - that makes sense - the experts on oil and gas - are predicting that renewables will become the dominant electricity generation source - so that they can scare all the capital out of the oil and gas industry (stupid idiot!)
And if you read the link I gave - you will see that the experts fully understand that methane is not renewable.
Fossil fuels will account for about 18 percent of electricity in 2050


Of course - Willie would have us become dependent on gubermint hand outs - and stupid expensive nukes - idiot! https://fivethirt...handout/

Sep 13, 2019
"Fossil fuels will account for about 18 percent of electricity in 2050" said by experts that use "~100% gasoline/diesel/kerosene + ~0% solar/wind" in their everyday life.
Prediction of future is typical of charlatans.

Try to run a small city(>20k inhabitants) only with 18% fossil fuels in a world of limited Hydro. You will have to burn forests, whale oil, to prevent poor families from freezing in the dark. Aside tons of whale oil to lubricate the bird-choppers/land-intensive monstrosities.
Carbon-free? Not. Eco-friendly? Not.
Solar and wind are fake solutions. They only exist to steal taxpayer's money and to favor coal/oil/gas over carbon-free nuclear.
"You can't run an industrial i.e. "civilised" economy on "renewables". That's why we stopped using them about 200 year ago."

Sep 13, 2019
Prediction of future is typical of charlatans
Or smart people - who like to look at data - and try to understand where we are heading. So Tesla patents a new battery chemistry - that is cheaper - and longer lasting - and people like you don't understand what it will mean for our world. https://electrek....cheaper/

No sweat Willie - the dustbin of history is plenty big enough for idiots who can't see what is happening.

That's why we stopped using them about 200 year ago.
We never stopped using them. But of course the situation we have now - with renewables being the low cost energy option - is unique. Hang on for the ride - idiot.

Sep 14, 2019
"Or smart people" related to gas(fracking) vested interests who like to look at data to understand that solar/wind is a joke at replacing fossil fuels, that not even those who propagandize it buy/use it, and
that not even with the "mythological magical batteries" it will make solar/wind really competitive due their low energy density, low ERoI/energy-payback.

"with renewables being the low cost energy option" i.e.
"with natural gas being the low cost energy option".
"Germany is blocking the price of carbon. Why? Because it will increase the price of electricity from renewables backed up by natural gas. And will increase competitiveness of nuclear power from France."
http://pbs.twimg....rmat=jpg

Ban cheap coal/gas and wind/solar dies.
Apply carbon tax and wind/solar dies.
Wind and solar are parasites, cannot survive without a host.

Sep 14, 2019
Ban cheap coal/gas and wind/solar dies
Once again Willie makes an assertion - with no actual evidence. Why don't you give us an example of a situation in which cheap coal/gas has been banned - and wind/solar has died. I can give you plenty of examples of wind and solar - happily displacing fossil fuels - and on the way to totally replacing them.

Sep 15, 2019
More & more evidences proving Sunshine&Breeze unicorn energy is an expensive joke at displacing fossil fuels:
"Despite the rapid growth of renewables last year, oil went up, gas use went up, coal use went up and carbon emissions went up." - Jason Bordoff
http://edition.cn...dex.html
"The renewable miracle: gas up, coal up, oil up, emissions up, prices up, disconnections up. At least reliability is down!"
http://pbs.twimg....rmat=jpg

"Emissions of Sulphur Hexafluoride (SF6) have risen dramatically in recent years partly due to renewable energy"
http://www.bbc.co...49567197
"More evidence that renewable energy increases warming, this time because of the growing use of SF6, gas with 23,500x the warming potential of CO2, in wind turbines and substations."

Wind & solar are scams. Intermittent renewables only exist to steal taxpayers' money and to favor coal/oil/gas over nuclear.

Sep 15, 2019
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Sep 15, 2019
"But renewables did go up!" At cost of trillions of dollars and huge ecological impacts/environmental damages with nothing to show at reducing emissions / dependence on coal/oil/gas.

the price of solar and wind power falling by 85% and 50% respectively over the past five years
A low quality/unreliable product is usually cheap, because no one wants it, not even those who progagandize it buy/use it.

By the time we are done in 2030, my prediction is that Saudi Arabia will be somewhere at 55%-60% [powered by renewables
Saudi Arabia? One of largest oil producer.
Who benefits the most from the "renewable energy revolution?"
A: coal, oil, gas.
"The gas industry is extremely supportive of renewables because they get to build gas plants to back up the unreliable renewables. Renewables are a huge wind for the fossil fuel producers. Nobody backs renewables more than gas producers."
No doubt intermittent renewables are 'boutique facades' for the coal, oil, gas, fracking producers.

Sep 15, 2019
At cost of trillions of dollars
Same thing with nukes Willie. Big difference is that - as per your link - renewables are now cheaper than nukes - which makes renewables economically - the default choice. So the investment was very savvy, and we now watch the rewards of that investment. That's why subsidies are coming OFF renewables - and even legacy nuclear plants are now begging for gubermint handouts...

Sep 16, 2019
One of the great benefits of renewables - is that they are decentralized. This morning we wake up to the news that Saudi Arabian oil facilities have been hit by drones - and the price of oil has spiked. Fears of a major global recession are raised. How long does Willie want to keep us locked in this stupid mess? When we can all generate our own - cheap/safe/renewable energy - we take the power away from the fossil fuel banksters - and usher in a better era of global stability.

Sep 16, 2019
Unlike sunshine&breeze unicorn energy,
carbon-free nuclear energy is worth every cent in the fight against Climate Change.
Wind an solar are a grotesque fiasco according to Climate's Father and real data.
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"renewables are now cheaper than nukes"
"renewables" = 80% cheap "natural gas"+ 20% intermittent/expensive/unreliable renewables

"One of the great benefits of renewables - is that they are decentralized."
But even so the Eco-nuts claim it's needed super-grids. Cognitive Dissonance.

"When we can all generate our own - cheap/safe/renewable energy"
There is no human law prohibiting you from generating your own unicorn energy except the laws of physics/thermodynamics/electrochemistry/economics and basic math, stupid.

Sep 16, 2019
But even so the Eco-nuts claim it's needed super-grids. Cognitive Dissonance.
Not at all. Every country has their own mix of energy. Connecting grids together allow countries to balance each other in terms of generation. As storage becomes cheaper, and more ubiquitous - that need will diminish. The bigger point is that with renewables - we avoid the current situation - in which Saudi Arabia has had an attack on their oil facilities - and global markets go into a panic.
There is no human law prohibiting you from generating your own unicorn energy
Millions are already doing it. What is your point? Tesla has just announced - a 4 K system - for $50 a month. Hold on to your hat willie. https://www.extre...er-month

Sep 17, 2019
Connecting grids together allow countries to balance each other in terms of generation.
Your claim sounds so stupid before continental data:
"In June, July, August and September 2018, wind power in the European Union had an average generation of 20 GW, when the installed capacity is 178 GW."
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No storage will able to deal with such level of intermittency in an economical/technical way, except coal/oil/gas storage, of course.

Millions of people are already doing it, except they continue connected to fossil-fueled grid, stupid!

Like Sunlight&Breeze, rain water is for free, but even so it's better to pay for tap water because it's available when you most need it (on demand).
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"Fracking Is the Bridge to Renewable Energy" and will ever be.
http://www.bloomb...e-future
Solar and wind are parasites.

Sep 17, 2019
No storage will able to deal with such level of intermittency
That is not supported by the facts. Great minds disagree with this opinion. https://physicswo...ndation/

So - we have to wait and see. We can look at countries like Scotland - to see how the trail blazers are doing it. Not they are not at 100% yet. But they are not at 100% nukes either - so we just have to wait and see what the future holds. Smart money is definitely on renewables.

Sep 18, 2019
Smart money is definitely on renewables.
These "Great Minds" are "Great Charlatans" they are only interested in stealing more and more taxpayers' money.
Their "100% by 2050" is "80% natgas + 20% intermittent renewables"
Take a look at reality, trillions of dollar spent globally and:
"According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), dams represent 2.5 percent of the world's primary energy. Other sources including wind, solar, biofuels and recovery of waste account for 1.8 percent collectively."

"..."100% by 2050" renewables scenarios produced by Jacobson et al..."
Jacobson is an academic crackpot that has prosecuted scientists who debunk his fancy claims.
"Jacobson is a Senior Fellow at the Precourt Institute for Energy, which was founded by Jay Precourt, an oil and gas magnate and board member of Halliburton, the oil and gas services firm. The board of the Institute is a who's who of oil, gas, and renewables investors."
He is a Great Crackpot Charlatan.

19 hours ago
He is a Great Crackpot Charlatan
Perhaps. So what? The fact is that China now has over 700 GW of renewable energy - https://en.wikipe...in_China

And is on track to become the World's leader in renewable energy. I guess they know a lot about energy - and are putting their money on the smart choice.

https://www.forbe...4393745a

9 hours ago
"China now has over 700 GW of renewable energy " backed up by another 700GW of coal/oil/gas, stupid.

"And is on track to become the World's leader in renewable energy" like Germany, Denmark, South Australia, California, etc.: renewable energy = 80% coal/oil/gas energy + 20% intermittent energy

"...are putting their money on the smart choice..."
Countries with no reserves of fossil fuels are flirting with carbon-free nuclear in order to lift their people out of energy poverty, while countries with abundant supplies of coal/oil/gas/fracking are promoting bird-choppers/land-intensive monstrosities as 'decorative facades' for their fossil industries.

"Major coal and natural gas companies are using renewable energy as the lipstick on their pig. Don't buy it."
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